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Or you could just blindfold, tie up, and let the prisoners go at them. Worse? Maybe.
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#12
(06-17-2009 07:08 AM)Guilmon and a shotgun Wrote: Suitable punishment i reckon is a long sentence in Jail, because then they'll know what it's like for the kids; being whored out and abused without consent.

They'll never know what it's like for the kids, not even close. And so they finish their long sentence, get out, and then commit the crimes again, now what? I'm not saying death sentence for everyone, but if you're selling children for sex, you don't deserve to live. Though I do think they should get whored out and abused before being killed.
Plus you can save the money it would cost to put them up in prison.

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#13
You're talking about it as if they've spent a week in there, Reclaimer. A prison sentence of 40 or 50 years will change a person, because although they're segrigated from the outside world, they'll go through a series of reformative activities such as group lessons, hardship and socialisation with other inmates.

I accept that you feel strongly about the subject, but i don't share your view of them never understanding what they children feel like because their relationships with guards and other cell mates will teach them. Another cell mate could talk to him or her about their children and how much he loves and misses them.

Killing them is hardly a suitable nor a fair punishment, because a. it will NOT set an example rather more of an uproar and b. they haven't killed anyone or physically wounded them. Emotional damage was caused and in many cases thats not repairable, but if you still want to kill them for hurting someones feelings, then surely divorce, adultery and verbal abuse should be punishable by death too, no?
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I'm sorry but I agree on every level, some people don't deserve the life they're given, The Death penalty for extreme cases like this and they should spend less time doing things like having a go at kids for playing in the street when there are murderers, rapists and people that deserve to be dealt with be it by justice or the occasional vigilante who has the right idea.

I just wish someone would do something, the world isn't as honest as it used to be.
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(06-20-2009 07:07 AM)Guilmon and a shotgun Wrote: You're talking about it as if they've spent a week in there, Reclaimer. A prison sentence of 40 or 50 years will change a person, because although they're segrigated from the outside world, they'll go through a series of reformative activities such as group lessons, hardship and socialisation with other inmates.

Too bad a lot of them aren't in prison for 40 to 50 years. In fact most of the information I've come across says they are out in only a few years, at least on parole.
Also, reformative activites don't always stick do they? Here's some fun facts:

Within three years of their release, 5.3% of national sex offenders were rearrested for another sex crime. When including all other crimes, the percentage of sex offenders that were rearrested is estimated at 43%.

Of those released sex offenders who were accused of another sex crime, 40% were arrested for the new offense with a year after their release.

Source: http://childprotection.lifetips.com/cat/...tatistics/

Will it happen with everyone? No. But if you've abused people then chances are good enough you'll do it again. (And the average amount of kids a sexual offender molests is fairly high though I don't have the stat in front of me)

Quote:I accept that you feel strongly about the subject, but i don't share your view of them never understanding what they children feel like because their relationships with guards and other cell mates will teach them. Another cell mate could talk to him or her about their children and how much he loves and misses them.

They will still never understand what the children feel like. Having an inmate feel bad about missing their kids is not even relatably close to the same as what a kid experiences being raped. Will the offender feel bad? Possibly. Does that mean they understand what the kid experienced? No. I'd feel better with someone that said "I screwed up, I know I did bad, and I know I'll never be able to understand what I did to that person." rather than someone that says "Oh, I understand what you went through."

Quote:Killing them is hardly a suitable nor a fair punishment, because a. it will NOT set an example rather more of an uproar and b. they haven't killed anyone or physically wounded them.

I think it would set a good example, as for an uproar...what doesn't cause an uproar? Let them out, people are mad. Kill them, people are mad. But at least when they are killed they can't hurt anyone else.
Rape is physcially wounding someone. You don't think a young man being anally violated by another man wouldn't hurt? Or a young girl by a man? What if a disease is transmitted?

Another fun fact from that same source:
* More than 40% of the child victims of convicted offenders suffered forcible, rape, injury or death as a result of the crime.

Quote:Emotional damage was caused and in many cases thats not repairable, but if you still want to kill them for hurting someones feelings, then surely divorce, adultery and verbal abuse should be punishable by death too, no?

No, because that's stupid. Divorce and adultery are not CRIMES. Verbal abuse is a terrible thing, however someone has the choice to take that abuse or not, unless its a child in which I think that child should be protected, the parent killed? No, but then again verbal abuse can more often probably be repaired more than rape.

You're not killing them for hurting someone's feelings. I support the death penalty in cases of sexual abuse of a child because not only did they think it was okay to force them self on an individual (on more than one occasion), but they did it to someone who was most likely unable to defend themselves, a child.

And here is why I think the death penalty would be the biggest help.

Over 75% of serial rapists report they were sexually abused as youngsters. (ttp://www.darkness2light.org/KnowAbout/statistics_2.asp)

So in a lot of cases the abused can become the biggest abusers. I think the death penalty would break that cycle a hell of a lot better than a few years in prison.

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(06-16-2009 06:31 AM)Jade the Necromancer Wrote: It is sad to how far some people will go to make that extra money. *sigh*

Im sorry I have to tell you this but when you say extra, you mean their only money right? I am not saying that makes their actions likable or anything of the sort. This is the kind of stupid shit we are seeing nowadays. The world is changing, no matter what we do humans will always strive for advancement, for the future. Yet this is not what we only seek, we seek power most of all. Power is the one thing the successful survivor lusts for. Power to enforce our own opinions upon others, the power to mold the world around us in a image we desire, the power to destroy your enemies, the power to eliminate our limitations, the power to live in any environment, and the power to rule over other beings. Money is a true showing of power in our day and time, it is not the only showing of power but it is the most prevalent.

Money allows us to buy what we can afford, wither that be an education and the attainment or knowledge or the fulfillment of our baser desires. What these men are doing is despicable to these children, as they are victims in the mad struggle for power of adults. I may be one of the most coldhearted bastards you will ever meet and I will say the truth to you. If I were in their position I would do anything I had to do to survive.

EDIT: And I really hate what they are doing to these kids, I thought I would put that in there. Also I disagree with the Death Penalty, I don't care what they did but killing them off is a waste of a good slave to do manual labors. Think about it.
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(06-20-2009 09:19 PM)Khorne Wrote: I don't care what they did but killing them off is a waste of a good slave to do manual labors. Think about it.

I would agree if it wasn't for the severe case of unemployment our country is facing. Any money that can be spent upkeeping child rapists and murderer's so they can do "slave labor" is money that can be paid to law abiding citizens willing to do that work instead.

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Quote:Khorne Wrote:
I don't care what they did but killing them off is a waste of a good slave to do manual labors. Think about it.

I would agree if it wasn't for the severe case of unemployment our country is facing. Any money that can be spent upkeeping child rapists and murderer's so they can do "slave labor" is money that can be paid to law abiding citizens willing to do that work instead.
Criminals don't do that much labor in American prisons anymore. It's too tough to manage them. I would settle for making sure all rapists get raped in jail.
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#19
And now we're back to that one thing I said. But of course, what could be worse the the famous soap drop.
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